Project 2025 is Trump's Policy.

Thats completely untrue - he told us as much a day after this misinformati hit mainstream... I would assume that you don't believe his statements - b I'd assume it lands somewhere more in the middle; I don't think Trump supp the ENTIRE 2025 policy - but could agree with you that some of his stances would align with it. I don't, however, think he is as radical as the entir 700+ page text.

I'm going to press X to doubt. Project 2025 and Agenda 47 very closely parallel each other on all fronts.

One of the most terrifying things he wants to do is change a large ch of low level federal civil service workers from standard hires to political appointees, so they can install loyal cult members into the positions.

Why is that terrifying; when every other politician from Biden to Obama to and beyond does the EXACT same thing?? I could understand if you don't agr with these appointees - but this is the nature of the beast...

"Political appointee" has a specific meaning under federal administrative
law. It means:

- that they are appointed by the President, Vice President, or
agency head, instead of hired through the usual process for federal civil servants;
- that they are required to take an ethics pledge not to accept gifts
from lobbyists, in accordance with Executive Order 13490; that, if they were appointed by the President, they may not receive *any* income from outside employment or activities, per EO 12674 sec. 102; and
- that they are not part of the competitive service, exceptive service, or Senior Executive Service (the three classes of federal civil servant), though they may transfer to one of them ("burrow in") with the advance approval of the Office of Personnel Management, and such conversions are periodically audited by the Government Accountability Office.

Trump tried to do this with Exectuive order Schedule F https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/executive-o ing-schedule-f-excepted-service/

Biden recinded it 3 days after he took office, so it didn't go into effect.

[snip]

I agree with this sentiment.... why wouldn't we?

Changing low-level civil service positions to political appointments /en
masse/ would unwind 141 years of civil service laws and regulations that serve to prevent a scenario exactly like this, namely the re‹mplementation of a spoils system. It may well just plain old violate them (IANAL, of course.) Additionally, Schedule F civil servants would have effectively been under at-will employment, which would deprive them of the protections against adverse personnel actions enshrined in those laws and regulations.

And no matter how much Trump tries to distance himself from Project 2025, is absolutely is his policy. nearly everyone he surrounds himse with is involved with it in some way.

Hard disagree - he told us as much...

Breaking news: he lied. The only reason Chris LaCivita called Project 2025 a pain in the ass was that it attracted exactly the sort and level of attention to the GOP manifesto (read: Project 2025 with the serial numbers filed off) that they *don't* want.

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Yes, turning the choice over to the states has certainly lead to all (and sometimes downright illogical) bans, and a lot of Republican politicians are responsible/behind it, and I disagree with them on it

I do too - however, a decade ago it was exactly what BOTH sides wanted. On abortion, I'm pro-choice - PERIOD... but how bad IS the states taking over think it puts the vote in PEOPLES hands - I don't agree with it, but I ref to lie and make it the topic that the left wants to...

The quote answers your question: the problem with kicking the abortion issue to the states *is* the all-out bans that quite a few states have enacted.

Nevermind that Trump would severely restrict abortions in several ways, as outlined throughout Project 2025.

The government has no right telling a person what medical procedures they can and can't have.

Rent is $2000; food is up 40%; gas is freaking insane; insurances are up 2 I have less $$$; I've never worried this much in my life; a soda costs $4 Seattle; people who go viral make $100M in a year; press record, in 2024 i almost the only way...

Trump 2024; more and more everyday.

Trump will accelerate greedflation through further "trickle-down" tax cuts and otherwise, not restrain or end it. The solution is to tax, or failing that eat, the rich.

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The quote answers your question: the problem with kicking the abortion issue t
the states *is* the all-out bans that quite a few states have enacted.

Agreed.

Nevermind that Trump would severely restrict abortions in several ways, as outlined throughout Project 2025.

Before he was shot, Trump successfully persuaded the GOP to remove any
national abortion language from the party platform. The author's of
Project 2025 might have some interest in restricting abortions on a
national level, but I do not believe that Trump does.

The government has no right telling a person what medical procedures they can and can't have.

As long as they are educated, consenting adults.

The solution is to tax, or failing that eat the rich.

I disagree here, too. I cannot manage to hate people just because they are able to make/save more money that I do.


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Re: [ANSI] Re: Kamala
By: halian to paulie420 on Fri Aug 09 2024 05:36 pm

The solution is to tax, or failing
that eat, the rich.

This notion comes from the naive idea that the government has a better use for the money than the money's rightful owners.

There is also the problem that money is not the end-all-be-all of economy. If you have a system of money redistribution in place in order to ensure the poor have money and the rich don't have as much, but the productive fabric of the country is damaged, then buying a loaf of bread will be still worth 50 bucks and poor people will still be poor people.

Specifically, when you adjust the economic machine to ensure the low and middle classes have money but you don't have a productive fabric in place, what you get is runaway inflation and people unable to secure affrdable food and housing. I am sure this rings a bell.



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Arelor wrote to halian <=-

Specifically, when you adjust the economic machine to ensure the low
and middle classes have money but you don't have a productive fabric in place, what you get is runaway inflation and people unable to secure affrdable food and housing. I am sure this rings a bell.

Of course it rings a bell. It's called "Socialism" and it's never worked in the history of the world.

You cannot "ensure the low and middle classes have money" and have a productive fabric in place. They are mutually exclusive.

But you Ignorant Elitists keep pushing your agenda, no matter how much it keeps failing.


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This notion comes from the naive idea that the government has a better use for
the money than the money's rightful owners.

Which, as we've established that the government is not usually looking out
for their population's interests, is an incorrect notion.

There is also the problem that money is not the end-all-be-all of economy. If you have a system of money redistribution in place in order to ensure the poor
have money and the rich don't have as much, but the productive fabric of the country is damaged, then buying a loaf of bread will be still worth 50 bucks and poor people will still be poor people.

People who vote for left-leaning candidates do not understand this.

Specifically, when you adjust the economic machine to ensure the low and middl
classes have money but you don't have a productive fabric in place, what you get is runaway inflation and people unable to secure affrdable food and housing. I am sure this rings a bell.

Runaway inflation is part of what lead to the rise of the Nazi's in
Germany, and the rise of other totalitarian regimes (both fascist and communist) in other places.


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Dumas Walker wrote to ARELOR <=-

People who vote for left-leaning candidates do not understand this.

They don't understand economics, human nature, ... really, they don't understand anything. They just go with what makes them feel good.

Runaway inflation is part of what lead to the rise of the Nazi's in Germany, and the rise of other totalitarian regimes (both fascist and communist) in other places.

Yup. It's worked before. Have the gov't create problems. Then they get lots of voters telling the gov't to fix the problems they created. When the gov't ask for more power to do that, the voters give it to them. Soon the gov't has all the power.


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