Good morning all. I just noticed that when a file is downloaded via BBS webv4 that its total is not reflected in the download statistics. I am not sure if the ftp has same problem. Just thought I would mention this. Only files being downloaded via telnet are being tracked. I have a lot of web users on my board and wondered why the download count seemed skimpy
Have a good weekend everyone.

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51 pm

Good morning all. I just noticed that when a file is downloaded via BBS webv4 that its total is not reflected in the download statistics. I am not sure if the ftp has same problem. Just thought I would mention this. Only files being downloaded via telnet are being tracked. I have a lot of web users on my board and wondered why the download count seemed skimpy
Have a good weekend everyone.

Which statistics are you referring to - the file's download count/last-downloaded-time, system stats, user stats?

ecWebv4 is supposed to count downloads in all those stats and it does that by calling user.downloaded_file() in files.ssjs.

No, the FTP server doesn't have this issue. Neither does the webfileindex.ssjs method of downloading via HTTP (e.g. http://vert.synchro.net/files/). That said, we'd prefer to fix ecWeb if it has an issue.
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digital man (rob)

Breaking Bad quote #15:
Cheer up Gomey, your people still got J. Lo. - Hank Schrader
Norco, CA WX: 99.6øF, 29.0% humidity, 4 mph WNW wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs ---
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51:59

Good morning all. I just noticed that when a file is downloaded via BBS webv4 that its total is not reflected in the download statistics. I am not sure if the ftp has same problem. Just thought I would mention this. Only files being downloaded via telnet are being tracked. I have a lot of web users on my board and wondered why the download count seemed skimpy Have a good weekend everyone.

Tried to visit your website to see what possibly set yours off from mine to allow you to have so many users (most all visits i get are bots and web scrapers) and it timed out.
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51:59

Good morning all. I just noticed that when a file is downloaded via BBS webv4 that its total is not reflected in the download statistics. I am not

Pretty sure it should be, but it's also very unlikely that I actually tested this.

sure if the ftp has same problem. Just thought I would mention this. Only

Unlikely to be the same problem with FTP. Easy to test for yourself and find out.

files being downloaded via telnet are being tracked. I have a lot of web users on my board and wondered why the download count seemed skimpy Have a

Logged-in users, or unauthenticated / guest visitors? (I can't remember if downloads by guest are handled differently in the stats, but maybe.)

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: kk4qbn to Rixter on Sat Sep 07 2024 16:12:04

Tried to visit your website to see what possibly set yours off from mine to allow you to have so many users (most all visits i get are bots and web scrapers) and it timed out.

Timed out because it's under such heavy load and couldn't service your request.

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51:59

Tried to visit your website to see what possibly set yours off from mine to allow you to have so many users (most all visits i get are bots and web scrapers) and it timed out.
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Tim (kk4qbn)
+o kk4qbn.synchro.net
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It's on port 8080 and working great. Thanks for looking out for me. Ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080

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It's on port 8080 and working great. Thanks for looking out for me. Ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080

Hi Wes! I checked it twice today and all is working great... today.

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51:59

Tried to visit your website to see what possibly set yours off from mine to allow you to have so many users (most all visits i get are bots and web scrapers) and it timed out.
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Tim (kk4qbn)
+o kk4qbn.synchro.net
¨ Synchronet ¨ KK4QBN BBS - kk4qbn.synchro.net - Chatsworth, GA USA

I am not sure what happened over then maybe you needed port 8080 for my web page. Thanks for trying.

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51 pm

Which statistics are you referring to - the file's download count/last-downloaded-time, system stats, user stats?

ecWebv4 is supposed to count downloads in all those stats and it does that by calling user.downloaded_file() in files.ssjs.

No, the FTP server doesn't have this issue. Neither does the webfileindex.ssjs method of downloading via HTTP (e.g. http://vert.synchro.net/files/). That said, we'd prefer to fix ecWeb if it has an issue.
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digital man (rob)

Breaking Bad quote #15:
Cheer up Gomey, your people still got J. Lo. - Hank Schrader
Norco, CA WX: 99.6¨F, 29.0% humidity, 4 mph WNW wind, 0.00 inches
rain/24hrs ---
¨ Synchronet ¨ Vertrauen ¨ Home of Synchronet ¨
[vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net

I am referring to the download stats that show in the system info section of the web interface. I will check it again. Maybe there is a delay in the updates between calls?

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to Digital Man on Sat Sep 07 2024 08:15 pm

Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51 pm

Which statistics are you referring to - the file's download count/last-downloaded-time, system stats, user stats?

I am referring to the download stats that show in the system info section of the web interface. I will check it again. Maybe there is a delay in the updates between calls?

Check the file's stats (i.e. the download counter and "last downloaded" date/time stamp) to see if they're updated or not.
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digital man (rob)

Synchronet/BBS Terminology Definition #37:
FTS = FidoNet Technical Standard
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: echicken to kk4qbn on Sat Sep 07 2024 21:09:45

Tried to visit your website to see what possibly set yours off from mine
to allow you to have so many users (most all visits i get are bots and
web scrapers) and it timed out.

Timed out because it's under such heavy load and couldn't service your request.

Yes, Thats GOT to be it! :-)
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Tim (kk4qbn)
+o kk4qbn.synchro.net
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to kk4qbn on Sat Sep 07 2024 20:12:41

I am not sure what happened over then maybe you needed port 8080 for my web page. Thanks for trying.

Yep, Didnt know that though because it is'nt in your tagline, so I would automatically go to the default port of 80.
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Tim (kk4qbn)
+o kk4qbn.synchro.net
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to kk4qbn on Sat Sep 07 2024 20:12:41

Yep, Didnt know that though because it is'nt in your tagline, so I would automatically go to the default port of 80.
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Tim (kk4qbn)
+o kk4qbn.synchro.net
¨ Synchronet ¨ KK4QBN BBS - kk4qbn.synchro.net - Chatsworth, GA USA

I use the web page echicken designed to reply to most messages and I do not see where to insert my personal tag line. I will go back and read the docs again. On my bbs telnet I do not see a tagging option either. I appreciate all the help. I do not see the web page being so active others cannot connect. I am not sure what is going on with it kk4qbn. You are the only one to mention an issue, and those of us here in my local area that use it have no problem so far. I am going to let it roll and hope for the best. I appreciate all your time and input. My family and neighbors have sure enjoyed the bbs that rob and echicken have made over the years.

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to kk4qbn on Sun Sep 08 2024 06:02:50

I use the web page echicken designed to reply to most messages and I do not see where to insert my personal tag line. I will go back and read the

It should just insert your signature into the textarea when you start composing a message, with a blank line above, if you have a signature configured. (You would have to set up your signature on the BBS via telnet/SSH first.)

Otherwise you could just type/paste in whatever sig you want.

Your tagline on the network, which you wouldn't see locally, is currently:

þ Synchronet þ Ricks BBS - RICKSBBS.SYNCHRO.NET

(With some colors that didn't survive copy/paste.)

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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I use the web page echicken designed to reply to most messages and I do not see where to insert my personal tag line. I will go back and read the docs again. On my bbs telnet I do not see a tagging option either. I appreciate all the help. I do not see the web page being so active others cannot connect. I am not sure what is going on with it kk4qbn. You are the only one to mention an issue, and those of us here in my local area that use it have no problem so far. I am going to let it roll and hope for the best. I appreciate all your time and input. My family and neighbors have sure enjoyed the bbs that rob and echicken have made over the years.

No issues now that I know it's on port 8080 :-)

Tim (kk4qbn)
+o kk4qbn.synchro.net

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to kk4qbn on Sun Sep 08 2024 06:02:50

It should just insert your signature into the textarea when you start composing a message, with a blank line above, if you have a signature configured. (You would have to set up your signature on the BBS via telnet/SSH first.)

Otherwise you could just type/paste in whatever sig you want.

Your tagline on the network, which you wouldn't see locally, is currently:

¨ Synchronet ¨ Ricks BBS - RICKSBBS.SYNCHRO.NET

(With some colors that didn't survive copy/paste.)

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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Thanks echicken. I understand now.

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No issues now that I know it's on port 8080 :-)

Tim (kk4qbn)
+o kk4qbn.synchro.net

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Thanks, I am glad it's working correctly now. Have a great sunday.

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to All on Sat Sep 07 2024 12:51:59

Pretty sure it should be, but it's also very unlikely that I actually tested this.

Unlikely to be the same problem with FTP. Easy to test for yourself and find out.

Logged-in users, or unauthenticated / guest visitors? (I can't remember if downloads by guest are handled differently in the stats, but maybe.)

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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Guests on my bbs are not allowed to download. Only authenticated users can. I had 4 of my callers download from the telnet client and from the web page. Again, only the ones that downloaded from the telnet client were reflected in the d/l totals for that day. The files downloaded while using the web interface were not counted in the total. It's not a big deal, just something I noticed. Have a great day echicken.

telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
Madison,NC

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to echicken on Tue Sep 10 2024 12:41 pm

Guests on my bbs are not allowed to download. Only authenticated users can.

If you want people to be able to freely download files from your BBS via a web link without having an account on your BBS, you'd need to allow the guest account to download files. Sometimes it's useful to be able to share files with people that way. For instance, other BBS sysops might be interested in downloading BBS-related files from your BBS, and they might not have a user account on your BBS.

Nightfox

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to echicken on Tue Sep 10 2024 12:41:53

reflected in the d/l totals for that day. The files downloaded while using the web interface were not counted in the total. It's not a big deal, just

Next question is how you know these files were downloaded, and by whom, if it's not reflected in the stats. Are you notified on the BBS that "[user] downloaded [file]", are you observing this in your web server log, or are you doing the downloading using different accounts?

Is the same user downloading the same file multiple times? I don't know if this gets counted.

Is there an error message in your log at the time of these downloads? The thing that *should* be adjusting the stats may not be happening if the script fails before it's called.

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: echicken to Rixter on Tue Sep 10 2024 03:07 pm

Is the same user downloading the same file multiple times? I don't know if this gets counted.

Same user downloading the same file repeatedly is still counted as downloads (credits deducted, stats updated).
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digital man (rob)

Rush quote #34:
We go out in the world take our chances fate's just the weight of circumstances Norco, CA WX: 95.8øF, 25.0% humidity, 8 mph W wind, 0.00 inches rain/24hrs
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to echicken on Tue Sep 10 2024 12:41:53

Next question is how you know these files were downloaded, and by whom, if it's not reflected in the stats. Are you notified on the BBS that "[user] downloaded [file]", are you observing this in your web server log, or are you doing the downloading using different accounts?

Is the same user downloading the same file multiple times? I don't know if this gets counted.

Is there an error message in your log at the time of these downloads? The thing that *should* be adjusting the stats may not be happening if the script fails before it's called.

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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The telnet downloads have their download totals updated, the web downloads do not. I have a neighbor and a friend and one cousin download various files using their unique accounts. They try port 8080 and telnet. I read the log file, telnet shows file downloaded so does the web log for sending file. Only the telnet download appears to be counted in total. ie. 8 files sent 4 on telnet 4 via web page only 4 downloads counted in the total showing under D/L today on the web home page. I hope I am being helpful. I was curious, why would someone have more than one account? For testing? Thank you, this trouble shooting is exciting to me. I appreciate helping out and feeling needed.

telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
Madison,NC

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Thanks Nightfox.

telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
Madison,NC

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to echicken on Tue Sep 10 2024 20:59:54

file. Only the telnet download appears to be counted in total. ie. 8 files
sent 4 on telnet 4 via web page only 4 downloads counted in the total

It's a mystery then. From what I can see, webv4 is doing what it should to tell the system that a given file was downloaded, but for whatever reason that's not causing your system-wide "files_downloaded_today" to be updated.

was curious, why would someone have more than one account? For testing?

You might want a regular user account to test with so you know how things look to a normal user. Some problems might not be apparent to you because your sysop account is unrestricted. Useful in some situations like testing your own scripts.

You might also want to know what it looks like when two different users interact on your BBS, eg. sending and receiving messages, chat, etc.

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to echicken on Tue Sep 10 2024 20:59:54

It's a mystery then. From what I can see, webv4 is doing what it should to tell the system that a given file was downloaded, but for whatever reason that's not causing your system-wide "files_downloaded_today" to be updated.

You might want a regular user account to test with so you know how things look to a normal user. Some problems might not be apparent to you because your sysop account is unrestricted. Useful in some situations like testing your own scripts.

You might also want to know what it looks like when two different users interact on your BBS, eg. sending and receiving messages, chat, etc.

echicken
electronic chicken bbs - bbs.electronicchicken.com
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thank you for trying. Sometimes things just do not work. I will study on it more and maybe some day the answer will become clear. Have a great day echicken.

telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
Madison,NC

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: echicken to Rixter on Tue Sep 10 2024 03:07 pm

Same user downloading the same file repeatedly is still counted as downloads (credits deducted, stats updated).
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digital man (rob)

Rush quote #34:
We go out in the world take our chances fate's just the weight of circumstances Norco, CA WX: 95.8¨F, 25.0% humidity, 8 mph W wind, 0.00
inches rain/24hrs
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Calls today and messages posted on the web page have the same issue. Only showing telnet activity. No web pages logons or messages posted being counted. The recent callers list is accurate. Node activity and file count is correct.

telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
Madison,NC

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to Digital Man on Wed Sep 11 2024 01:00 pm

Calls today and messages posted on the web page have the same issue. Only showing telnet activity. No web pages logons or messages posted being counted. The recent callers list is accurate. Node activity and file count is correct.

"Web page logons" aren't counted in most stats. You can view the file ctrl/dsts.ini (if using Synchronet v3.20) if you want to check what statistics are tracked. "Posts" would/should include all messages posted, regardless of protocol used. "Logons" only includes terminal server logons.
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digital man (rob)

This Is Spinal Tap quote #30:
Big bottom, big bottom / Talk about mud flaps, my girl's got 'em!
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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to Digital Man on Wed Sep 11 2024 01:00 pm

"Web page logons" aren't counted in most stats. You can view the file ctrl/dsts.ini (if using Synchronet v3.20) if you want to check what statistics are tracked. "Posts" would/should include all messages posted, regardless of protocol used. "Logons" only includes terminal server logons. --
digital man (rob)

This Is Spinal Tap quote #30:
Big bottom, big bottom / Talk about mud flaps, my girl's got 'em!
Norco, CA WX: 80.2¨F, 50.0% humidity, 9 mph WNW wind, 0.00 inches
rain/24hrs ---
¨ Synchronet ¨ Vertrauen ¨ Home of Synchronet ¨
[vert/cvs/bbs].synchro.net

I understand now. The telnet service drives the stats totals and the rest are ignored. Thank you I was misunderstanding the web page stats section's
purpose. I appreciate you guys correcting me. I will remove it from display. Have a great day and thanks again.

telnet://ricksbbs.synchro.net:23
http://ricksbbs.synchro.net:8080
Madison,NC

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Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to Digital Man on Thu Sep 12 2024 04:21 am

Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Rixter to Digital Man on Wed Sep 11 2024 01:00 pm

"Web page logons" aren't counted in most stats. You can view the file ctrl/dsts.ini (if using Synchronet v3.20) if you want to check what statistics are tracked. "Posts" would/should include all messages posted, regardless of protocol used. "Logons" only includes terminal server logons. --

I understand now. The telnet service drives the stats totals and the rest are ignored.

Terminal Server, and only for logons. Most of the other stats/totals from other servers, including the web server, are/should be included. Including file downloads.

Thank you I was misunderstanding the web page stats section's
purpose. I appreciate you guys correcting me. I will remove it from display. Have a great day and thanks again.

You're welcome, but I think you misunderstood my message content.
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digital man (rob)

Synchronet "Real Fact" #69:
Download the BBS Documentary DVD set at http://bbsdocumentary.com/order/
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Re: Re: File down loads total on webv4
By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Wed Sep 11 2024 16:52:08

OK, ignore my last msg., it was done in haste.

I feel like the web interface doesn't take anything away from what a BBS is. It's there if people want to use it though.

Agreed. In fact, my first encounter with current BBSes was through a WI. Without it, I may not have even known they existed. Having said that, to get the full benefit of the BBS, you really need to use a telnet client.

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